WARNING!!!!!!

IF YOU THINK THAT MY TALKING ABOUT THE WORDING OF THE CREED IS PATHETIC, PLEASE DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING POST, OR LEAVE COMMENTS ON IT. PLEASE RESPECT MY REQUEST, AND MY OPINION.

I've been looking up stuff on the internet about the wording of the Creed, & whether it should say "for us men and for our salvation" or "for us and for our salvation". It is a matter of great contention, and disagreement, but I do think it's important.

I am not a man, and I do not want to be a man. For this reason, I do not want to declare "for us men and our salvation". If you go to http://www.concordtx.org/opinions/ncreed.htm, then that says quite a lot of stuff that I agree with; especially the bit about language, and the understanding of it. The word "man" is used to mean "men", and excludes hwomen. Why insist on using a word that offends people? Why use a word that does not actually include the whole congregation in a church? Surely, it's nonsense to do so.

When you can communicate the true meaning of Christ's gospel, surely, it's nonsense to drive people away by using language that people HATE! Surely, the liturgy should be celebrated in language that the congregation relate to. What is the reason for not saying "for us and for our salvation"? Is it a fear of change, or just intransigence?

The use of the word "men" implies that women are second class citizens - they are not. Some women aren't bothered by the use of sexist language, but I guess that's their choice, & I may not understand it, but I respect it.

If you don't agree with me, you might find http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/1992apr1992p20_751.html is more to your liking.

I, however, do like http://taconline.org/1996/1996-01/femtalk.html - it's cool. Also, read some of the Tablet articles on women's issues. You can get them online. They're good too.

It's not impossible to be a feminist and not be dangerous; it's not impossible to be a feminist and a Christian; it's not impossible to be a feminist & a nun!!! I don't think I'm dangerous, I know that I'm a Christian, & I want to be a nun. I am maybe challenging though. But, I like that.